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so

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hey guys how's it going

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welcome back to the channel

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um i just want to give a good a shout

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out to everybody for the love that you

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showed on my last interview with exo

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academian

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um i got so many positive comments and

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dms and everything about that so guys

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thank you so much it was a really

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interesting conversation

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um now today we had uh some more

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information put out

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from the kind of government side of

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things and i try my best to keep up with

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it

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i usually rely on other folk um

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so uh

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yeah and i've got one of these fine

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people with me today

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um

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me and katie have spoken on book club

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and in the dms and privately before but

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this is the first time she's actually on

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this show

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and i cannot wait to have this

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conversation because hopefully she'll be

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able to break things down not only for

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me but for you guys as well on the ins

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and outs of the the language that we've

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been seeing recently with regards to the

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ndaa the iaa

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all the stuff and all these acronyms

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that you know they're hard enough to

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learn on their own let alone everything

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that comes with them so

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let's not waste any more time let's

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bring in my guest ladies and gentlemen

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please welcome katie howland casey how

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are you doing hey i'm doing good thanks

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for having me how are you

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i'm good thank you i really really do

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appreciate you joining me um i love the

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background as well by the way i saw your

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tweet about the the vintage vibes oh

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yeah

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that's what i do when i'm not you know

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talking about uap is i'm like digging

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through thrift stores so

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i love it i i do i love it without let

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you know talking about you let before we

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get into this this jargon and all this

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information i want to know a bit more

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about you so

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let's start with your your background if

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you don't mind if you could talk about

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your career background and some of your

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personal interests as well and we can go

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from there

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absolutely so i like to say that i have

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a very indecisive career i have a lot of

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interest and so i've kind of dipped my

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toes in a lot of ponds

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um but i got my my undergrad in

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international security so that was kind

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of my focus and at the time i didn't

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know if i wanted to go like the

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intelligence route or more the

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um like international development

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poverty alleviation

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uh so straight um in

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in college i interned um both on capitol

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hill um under then

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then secretary of

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defense or was he cia director then leon

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panetta he jumped around a lot um and

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then and then also uh interned for then

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vice president joe biden on his domestic

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policy team um primarily working on um

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the mental health response to gun

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violence after sandy hook so

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i had done a little bit of policy work

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but you know very very entry level and

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so when i left um

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college i went and worked on a as a

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on a naval base here in san diego on a

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uh communications program uh focused on

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waveforms and defense acquisition and i

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lasted five months because i hated it

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but i you know spent some time on base

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and got to understand a very small bit

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about you know how working within the

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dod works and some of the challenges

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because i worked specifically on a joint

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army navy program so i had a first hand

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programs how challenging it can be to

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get tiniest things done

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but eventually i i switched to kind of

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survivors with global health programs in

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sub-saharan africa

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and as a part of that work i kind of

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the programs so physically you know

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running programs with these people in

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other countries to being a lobbyist so

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that's really where i got i would say

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knowledge about the hill and

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very very limited compared to my peers

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but i did spend a year basically working

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trying to get more funding for

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their different perspectives and how

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they operate and it's helped to really

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kind of color how i look at these issues

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so when i um

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volunteered on the biden campaign based

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on my previous work with them um and

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found out about the uap issue i was just

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and that's how i made it here so i'm

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still in my day job doing kind of the

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humanitarian work um but i definitely

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come to this work more with my

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limited defense and policy background in

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the back of my head

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awesome that's amazing

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so what about the ufo subject in in like

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childhood and growing up science fiction

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and that was that a thing for you

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surprisingly no so um

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you know mainstream science uh i got my

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master's degree in the sciences i'm

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technically an epidemiologist you know

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very cut and dry

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necessarily with uap related

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stuff although potentially it's a bit of

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a gray area for me um but i kind of

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i think i was so focused on being like

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this rational minded you know oriented

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person that it was just it was like this

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box i put it in and just set it aside

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so it's been a very interesting time

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since i started getting into uap

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kind of unpacking that um

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but no i wasn't really into ufos or

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anything i remember when like ancient

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aliens first came out like watching it

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and loving it because i love archaeology

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not that i think it's a valid

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valid show when it comes to science or

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history necessarily but it was like a

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but yeah no this is all been kind of new

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connected with it uh really quickly and

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obviously a part of that comes from your

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background within the government you see

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it from the government perspective but

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something else as well so you know and

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you mentioned there that you consider

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yourself as an experiencer or something

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do you want to expand on that at all you

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don't have to

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no i mean i'm not shy about really

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anything so um

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since i was a kid i've seen apparitions

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like full-bodied apparitions uh not like

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a ton of them but you know

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dreaming of a really strange place and

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ending up there like a week later um

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other times where like i've

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known something really bad was gonna

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happen and then there was like a

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meditating so like a kind of just like a

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number of orbs but they were really

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situation i feel like they're typically

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talking about like basketballs or big

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craft or things like that but these orbs

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multiple occasions in our house so like

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so i think like the biggest thing i've

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taken from all of that is to just

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never say never

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about these small orbs it was a question

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interviews i did with him

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um it was a listener question or review

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a question and i'd not thought of it

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before when i raised it to lou he was

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he i don't think he had ever been asked

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that question and and why not you know

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why do we have to assume that everything

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or with it all within is on a scale that

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we have to kind of fit in with i think

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that's funny i mean look at like

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bacteria versus dinosaurs right like

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those came from the same planet so i

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have no idea what that was if that was

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you know like uap or if it was a spirit

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or if it was some weird atmospheric

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something i don't know all i can tell

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you is it was always in the exact same

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spot in my house both me and my husband

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saw it on three occasions separately

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you know i and then i have never seen it

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um was it because i had a lot of

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antiques i don't know you know um

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uh but i think it's you know

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i've dived really deeply into it because

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i like everyone else i want to know you

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know i want there's so much we don't

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know so many questions we have and

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uh especially coming from a national

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security background i got really annoyed

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that everyone else didn't want to know

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you know because like let's say it's

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nothing weird nothing anomalous

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if the chinese have this tech if the

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russians have this tech

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sorry i almost curse

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like a sailor um we better know about it

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you know and so like i think that

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regardless of where you fall on the

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spectrum everyone should be talking

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about this i completely agree sean

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raises a good point here what's up sean

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good to see you brother he thinks orbs

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could be earth lights and and i i kind

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of agree to that to some extent and and

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the thing is with me is that if these

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orbs are earth lights that's still a

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super exciting prospect because it's

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still something rare

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well if it's something natural to this

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world that is just you know

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atmosphere rare and and yeah like

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something that's not been studied that

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much because it's so hard to come across

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i think that's still a very exciting

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thing you know because we just don't

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know much about it so

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absolutely i'm certainly open to it

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being anything and i would be just as

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excited about that you know it's

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i think that you just have to come at it

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with curiosity and be open to any of the

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possibilities

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absolutely absolutely now

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let's move into the kind of government

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and i keep saying government aspects of

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things because you know one thing

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that i see a lot of on social media and

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everything is that people seem to

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pigeonhole the government as this one

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thing this one entity that anything

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relating to the government is the

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but like let's go there

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let's talk about the fact that in my

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opinion i think in this day and age

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we're seeing a shift within the

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government you know the government is

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it's got to be millions plus employees

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if you break it down to the the cleaners

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to the the you know the joint chiefs of

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staff and everyone you know do you know

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what i mean it's

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so

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to you well the government is keeping

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this a secret

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what would you say to them have a lot of

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faith in the ability of government to do

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anything well um

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coming from someone who's kind of been

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around it uh no i mean i think i saw i

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saw a stat recently that i think

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something like 900 000 people have

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security clearances

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um both in the government and as

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contractors uh obviously they're not all

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related to this topic but

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if that just gives you an idea of the

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scope that you're talking about and

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trying to get any coherent agenda um

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within that group is going to be

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incredibly challenging um and then you

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have you know different branches

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competing for different reasons and

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are there maybe groups of people that

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may be trying to obfuscate absolutely

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but i think anytime you get kind of

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a conspiratorial like big government is

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doing xyz

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honestly like i'm telling you because i

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used to have brunch with these people

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they're smart they're not that smart

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you know what i mean

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they're humans like you and me

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and um

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yeah i i think we need to be very

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mindful of recognizing the limits of

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government while not trying to assign it

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as like this behemoth monolith

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do you still think that secrets can be

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kept though within small groups within

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of course i mean that's that's you know

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the

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sensitive compartmentalized information

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information sci which is like the

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highest level of security clearance you

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you can have different types of it but

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um it's designed for that reason right

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like the fewer people you have right

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into a program the easier it is to keep

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these secrets which is why i think it's

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so remarkable

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the way

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the iaa is setting up the new eap office

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because the first thing i noticed when i

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read it was

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how broadly they're diffusing

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responsibility and information it's

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almost like they're intentionally

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creating a system where there's going to

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be so many outlets

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that it can't be varied and i think

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that's intentional i think that's by

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design

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and where does oversight sit within that

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and what does oversight bring because

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people hear that word a lot oversight as

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if someone's you know looking over the

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shoulder like ready to say you've not

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done this or you've slipped up here

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we're gonna come down on you and make

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you bring this information out tell us

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about how oversight works

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well i think within i'm going to speak

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about what i read in the senate iaa so

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the intelligence authorization act um

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because i have a feeling that's going to

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be

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broadly what the final legislation is

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covering um

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they focus on oversight in a lot of

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different ways um first of all they

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require that a new requirement in the

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iaa compared to the house and the a ndaa

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so the defense versus the intelligent

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side of things and the house versus

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senate side um

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is that they explicitly say the deputy

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director has to be uh appointed by the

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office of the director of national

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intelligence so let me step back for a

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second because i just threw a lot of

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acronyms at you so you have

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dod right the military then you have the

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office of the director of national

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intelligence um the odni is in charge of

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all 18 intelligence agencies it gets a

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little convoluted because some of those

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intelligence agencies are like air force

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intelligence marine intelligence so

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it's a little tricky but the fact that

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you know the original rubio gillibrand

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gallego legislation

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said the new uap office can be

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in dod

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it can be an odni or it can be in a

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joint component

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well beauty kind of jumped the gun right

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and they built their aoi msg rest in

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peace

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thank god

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and they kind of jumped the gut and i

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think that was intentional right i think

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they hadn't saw the writing was on the

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wall and they didn't want to lose out to

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dni

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um so what this does is it kind of

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forces them of hey

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secretary of defense can appoint the

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head of this you know kirkpatrick but

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the deputy director is going to be

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reporting up to the odni

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so i think that was put in there kind of

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as a we got our eyes on you you know and

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that's one way to do oversight which is

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to split it um in terms of actual

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oversight in the way it's typically

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mentioned though it's more congressional

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oversight and

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i was actually really pleased when i was

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reading the iaa because when i first

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read the defense side from the house i

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was a little concerned because they set

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up this whole reporting mechanism

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but then they said that um

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saps

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sensitive

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special access programs those programs

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too many acronyms um

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we're already then

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and i i kind of had this moment where i

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was like okay but any program that is

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dealing with this is going to be a step

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right and so i was concerned that this

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was just a little way that people could

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wiggle out

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whereas in the iaa

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so tired of these acronyms we need like

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better ones to talk about this

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they explicitly say that's only if those

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saps have already been accurately

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reported to congress

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and there's a whole legal code about how

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you report sap so

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they're required to be reported to

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certain committees but even if it's one

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of those rare

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waived unacknowledged saps there's still

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technically a reporting mechanism where

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you have to report to

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the

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democrat had pumpkin

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and the head of the appropriations pay

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the money backs democrat and republican

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so i think what's really good about this

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is this basically says like look

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it doesn't matter if it's one of those

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really really deep programs that even

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the committees don't know about there

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still needs to be this oversight from

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congress and so

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i think they're really set in the stage

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who more forcefully

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you know require the oversight that

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congress is

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constitutionally given that's amazing

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yeah and these are the small

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points that i struggle struggle with and

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that's why i have to keep going to other

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people to explain and another point that

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that gets me every time is appropriation

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bills mixed with authorization

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are you able to break that down i'm

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sorry for anybody out there like if you

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read all these

509
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language that comes out these are the

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things that ask where your questions

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will come from is what's the difference

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between this and that and this and that

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katie can break it down so yeah

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appropriation i'll do my best to break

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it down um i i like i like calling my

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best friend who works at the pentagon

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like hey can you clarify this real quick

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for me um no but it's a really good

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point because appropriations and

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authorizations are like the two keys and

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they have to go together if you're gonna

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have something work

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right now we're talking only about

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authorizations essentially

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the government is allowed to create

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these offices and create these programs

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and run them and they're authorized to

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exist

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but how in the world are you going to

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run an office if you don't have money

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for salary or you don't have facilities

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or you don't have a research budget or

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you don't have any of that so that's the

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appropriation so you think of just

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appropriations as

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someone's holding the purse right

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um so what i'm going to be paying really

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close attention to to be honest

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i think authorizations have a lot less

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teeth because you could create the

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greatest office with all of the

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most interesting requirements ever

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but i want to see how much money is

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going to be designated to it

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you know and so i think you know we're

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going to need to pay close attention to

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that after the authorization bill is

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passed is how do those funds line up um

549
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and a lot of times you'll see sometimes

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where they'll create something and then

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underfund it and they're hoping people

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don't pay attention to that

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but i'm confident that this group of

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fabulous people will

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hold their feet to the fire so we might

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need to be making some calls to

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appropriators and that's something that

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i think we'll probably be doing in the

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future

560
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yeah and i think that's something that

561
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you've already shown that it's something

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you can help with because you recently

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put out the call to action

564
00:20:42,549 --> 00:20:41,200
um on twitter with contacting

565
00:20:44,789 --> 00:20:42,559
representatives and stuff which we've

566
00:20:46,230 --> 00:20:44,799
seen other efforts before and then kudos

567
00:20:50,789 --> 00:20:46,240
to everybody that's been involved in

568
00:20:55,830 --> 00:20:51,830
how did

569
00:20:58,070 --> 00:20:55,840
want to do that or or

570
00:20:59,750 --> 00:20:58,080
it's a difficult question it's like

571
00:21:01,190 --> 00:20:59,760
because you did it

572
00:21:03,669 --> 00:21:01,200
literally it came out of nowhere you

573
00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:03,679
just one day this thing appeared and was

574
00:21:07,590 --> 00:21:05,840
like oh my goodness like this is like i

575
00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:07,600
was going to say how can we the people

576
00:21:12,149 --> 00:21:10,000
help and and and so i guess you're that

577
00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:12,159
kind of middle person between

578
00:21:16,789 --> 00:21:14,400
you know well we want to speak or show

579
00:21:19,430 --> 00:21:16,799
that our message to these higher-ups and

580
00:21:21,270 --> 00:21:19,440
that so yeah what can we do and and what

581
00:21:23,270 --> 00:21:21,280
will you be doing going forward between

582
00:21:26,230 --> 00:21:23,280
now and let's say the end of the year

583
00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:26,240
maybe with the passing of the next ndaa

584
00:21:30,070 --> 00:21:28,000
yeah i mean i think it's something you

585
00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:30,080
know that was part of my old job um when

586
00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:32,000
i was a lobbyist it was

587
00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:33,760
you know part-time

588
00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:35,679
directly going to the hill sitting in

589
00:21:39,669 --> 00:21:37,440
members offices talking to their staff

590
00:21:42,070 --> 00:21:39,679
members right but the other part of it

591
00:21:43,909 --> 00:21:42,080
was grassroots advocacy so

592
00:21:46,230 --> 00:21:43,919
equipping people with the tools and the

593
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:46,240
resources they need to be confident

594
00:21:49,750 --> 00:21:48,240
because it's a little bit

595
00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:49,760
nerve-wracking if you've never done it

596
00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:50,640
before

597
00:21:54,789 --> 00:21:53,360
calling your your member of congress and

598
00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:54,799
wondering am i gonna be talking to the

599
00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:56,240
member am i gonna be talking to a staff

600
00:21:59,590 --> 00:21:57,520
member are they gonna quit me how long

601
00:22:01,830 --> 00:21:59,600
will it take but my goal is just to make

602
00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:01,840
it easy right i heard from a number of

603
00:22:06,549 --> 00:22:04,400
people after calling in like oh wow that

604
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:06,559
was a lot less scary than i thought it

605
00:22:10,070 --> 00:22:08,480
would be and that's just my goal right

606
00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:10,080
you know um

607
00:22:14,549 --> 00:22:12,799
i had also seen you know some scripts

608
00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:14,559
that had floated around before that

609
00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:16,000
based on my experience were just a

610
00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:17,360
little too long

611
00:22:20,390 --> 00:22:18,400
or

612
00:22:22,870 --> 00:22:20,400
you know had such disparate messages and

613
00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:22,880
so you know i want people to call and

614
00:22:25,590 --> 00:22:24,480
talk about whatever their heart desires

615
00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:25,600
but if i can just make it a little

616
00:22:28,870 --> 00:22:26,400
easier

617
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:28,880
then i'm happy to do that um

618
00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:31,200
but yeah i hope to do some more

619
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:33,840
you know as we see the ndaa coming

620
00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:35,520
through i don't know if it would

621
00:22:39,430 --> 00:22:37,600
necessarily require any

622
00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:39,440
like direct advocacy because that's more

623
00:22:42,789 --> 00:22:41,200
conference committee really just like

624
00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:42,799
coming together and

625
00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:44,880
hashing it out um but i'm a firm

626
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:46,159
believer that

627
00:22:51,909 --> 00:22:49,440
thank you calls are also very important

628
00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:51,919
right like we need to make sure that

629
00:22:56,710 --> 00:22:54,080
we're not just contacting members when

630
00:22:58,390 --> 00:22:56,720
we want something but that they see that

631
00:23:00,230 --> 00:22:58,400
we are paying attention

632
00:23:01,669 --> 00:23:00,240
you know we don't just make one call and

633
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:01,679
forget about it and move on with our

634
00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:03,760
lives so that's something that around

635
00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:05,679
the passage of the ndaa i'll probably be

636
00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:07,600
promoting and i really encourage

637
00:23:13,270 --> 00:23:10,799
everyone to participate in that because

638
00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:13,280
these are members with feelings and they

639
00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:15,120
pay attention to how often issues are

640
00:23:17,669 --> 00:23:16,480
brought up and

641
00:23:18,870 --> 00:23:17,679
um

642
00:23:20,470 --> 00:23:18,880
i don't know i also just like sending

643
00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:20,480
thank you cards

644
00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:23,039
oh that's a good point actually that's a

645
00:23:26,950 --> 00:23:25,039
really good point

646
00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:26,960
it's like receiving a wedding gift and

647
00:23:30,789 --> 00:23:29,039
sending the thank you note afterwards

648
00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:30,799
it's just part of the engagement i think

649
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:32,559
you have to look at this as not a

650
00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:34,080
one-off thing but at building a

651
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:36,080
relationship with your member of

652
00:23:39,909 --> 00:23:37,200
congress

653
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:39,919
you know and get get so they know you

654
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:42,080
get so that you know they they see your

655
00:23:45,269 --> 00:23:44,080
phone number come up and they go okay i

656
00:23:47,909 --> 00:23:45,279
got a

657
00:23:49,830 --> 00:23:47,919
uap file you know and that's good

658
00:23:51,909 --> 00:23:49,840
because then they know that it's

659
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:51,919
real um a real issue they need to pay

660
00:23:54,870 --> 00:23:53,120
attention to

661
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:54,880
and especially when they have

662
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:57,919
intelligent people calling right who are

663
00:24:01,590 --> 00:23:58,960
not

664
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:01,600
going off on some deep end discussion

665
00:24:05,350 --> 00:24:03,120
but are having an intelligent

666
00:24:06,870 --> 00:24:05,360
conversation it goes a long way

667
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:06,880
absolutely yeah

668
00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:09,120
walter here makes a good point keeping

669
00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:10,880
the bridges sturdy

670
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:14,640
very absolutely well absolutely

671
00:24:18,310 --> 00:24:16,960
so let me talk about like people are

672
00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:18,320
contacting their congressmen their

673
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:20,400
senators and representatives and stuff

674
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:22,320
but a lot of the time or half the time

675
00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:23,520
here and there they're getting crew to

676
00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:24,640
staffers

677
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:26,480
but i think and from what i've heard of

678
00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:28,320
from people i've spoken to the staffers

679
00:24:31,750 --> 00:24:29,840
are just as important for getting the

680
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:31,760
message through can you can you talk on

681
00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:33,039
that as well

682
00:24:39,029 --> 00:24:35,919
honestly sometimes more important uh

683
00:24:40,549 --> 00:24:39,039
so every office is different right um

684
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:40,559
so i'll i'll speak to the office i

685
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:42,240
worked it back in the day when i my

686
00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:45,600
first my first internship on the hill um

687
00:24:49,110 --> 00:24:48,080
it was my job for example to answer the

688
00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:49,120
phones

689
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:51,760
and tally every single phone call that

690
00:24:56,549 --> 00:24:54,000
came in what the topic was whether it

691
00:24:58,630 --> 00:24:56,559
was like pro or negative right and then

692
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:58,640
at the end of the week that would be

693
00:25:03,029 --> 00:25:00,720
combined with tallies from emails and

694
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:03,039
letters and faxes because some people

695
00:25:06,149 --> 00:25:04,799
stole facts

696
00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:06,159
i don't know apparently some people send

697
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:08,799
smoke signals and beeps too

698
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:13,360
and you can ask sean about pagers and

699
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:15,200
then you bring it to the member and you

700
00:25:19,029 --> 00:25:16,799
say okay so these were the top three

701
00:25:21,669 --> 00:25:19,039
issues this week and that's when people

702
00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:21,679
start paying attention so that's why i

703
00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:24,400
was really important to me to

704
00:25:29,110 --> 00:25:26,880
have our our outreach all in the same

705
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:29,120
day or the same week because if you're

706
00:25:32,070 --> 00:25:30,799
just kind of calling haphazard

707
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:32,080
throughout the year it doesn't have the

708
00:25:35,669 --> 00:25:33,279
same impact

709
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:35,679
um so the staffers honestly though

710
00:25:39,029 --> 00:25:37,440
they're the ones writing the legislation

711
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:39,039
like the member isn't sitting at their

712
00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:41,039
desk unless you have like an incredible

713
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:44,320
member that is just super policy wonky

714
00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:45,840
it's there it's their staffers that are

715
00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:47,039
writing the legislation is there

716
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:48,640
staffers that are doing the research

717
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:50,559
they're staffers that are briefing them

718
00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:53,520
every day or every week on these issues

719
00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:54,400
so

720
00:25:57,430 --> 00:25:55,840
don't be discouraged if you're talking

721
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:57,440
to a staffer that's probably where you

722
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:58,559
want to be

723
00:26:03,110 --> 00:26:00,240
um and

724
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:03,120
it's typically the dc staffers who work

725
00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:05,360
on legislation so

726
00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:07,360
while every member of congress will have

727
00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:09,039
like a local office

728
00:26:12,870 --> 00:26:10,960
those people are typically more like

729
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:12,880
social workers right so they're focusing

730
00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:14,880
what they call cake work so helping

731
00:26:18,789 --> 00:26:16,480
people with their immigration helping

732
00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:18,799
people with social security benefits

733
00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:20,799
things like that so

734
00:26:23,909 --> 00:26:22,240
if you want to meet with those folks

735
00:26:25,990 --> 00:26:23,919
that's fine they might like pass your

736
00:26:27,830 --> 00:26:26,000
information to their dc office but it's

737
00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:27,840
really about calling and meeting the dc

738
00:26:33,510 --> 00:26:31,120
people um but yeah so it's

739
00:26:35,590 --> 00:26:33,520
not a problem not meeting your member uh

740
00:26:38,149 --> 00:26:35,600
very very rarely does that happen i used

741
00:26:40,470 --> 00:26:38,159
to lead uh big events where you know

742
00:26:43,669 --> 00:26:40,480
hundreds of people would fly into dc

743
00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:43,679
and we'd arrange meetings all day long

744
00:26:49,510 --> 00:26:46,480
with different members and very rarely

745
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:49,520
was it with an actual representative um

746
00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:52,000
and we still got huge impact out of it

747
00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:54,480
you know millions of dollars in funding

748
00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:55,600
so

749
00:27:01,990 --> 00:26:58,240
about it

750
00:27:05,269 --> 00:27:03,830
would these staffers have top secret sa

751
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:05,279
clearance

752
00:27:08,950 --> 00:27:07,279
um depending on the issues they work on

753
00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:08,960
a lot of them do have clearances

754
00:27:13,990 --> 00:27:11,840
probably not sdis probably top secrets

755
00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:14,000
is my guess okay um

756
00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:15,840
but you know like if you're a person so

757
00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:18,080
typically like the various legislative

758
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:20,080
aides will have portfolios like someone

759
00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:23,520
might work on housing and education some

760
00:27:28,389 --> 00:27:25,840
might work on immigration um but the

761
00:27:29,830 --> 00:27:28,399
people who work on defense and intel

762
00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:29,840
typically have at least some sort of

763
00:27:33,029 --> 00:27:31,120
clearance because they have to be able

764
00:27:35,669 --> 00:27:33,039
to go into like hearings

765
00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:35,679
and um educate their members

766
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:37,039
so they could be that some of the staff

767
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:38,640
is actually having some of the briefings

768
00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:40,720
before their the people they work for

769
00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:42,320
but could they possibly be seeing some

770
00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:44,320
of the the videos and the stuff that

771
00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:46,000
we're not allowed to see

772
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:47,440
yes and

773
00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:49,679
likely before the member at times

774
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:50,960
depending on the person right and

775
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:53,039
depending on the office and how much

776
00:27:57,750 --> 00:27:55,679
that member gives uh you know delegates

777
00:28:00,389 --> 00:27:57,760
authority and responsibility to their

778
00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:00,399
staff yeah that's entirely possible and

779
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:02,559
then on top of that you also have

780
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:04,960
committee staff so like the senate

781
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:06,880
intelligence committee for example will

782
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:09,120
have its own staff that lives at the

783
00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:11,279
committee it isn't necessarily tied to

784
00:28:16,950 --> 00:28:13,279
any particular member and so those

785
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:16,960
members might also get um access

786
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:18,320
depending on and isn't that where we've

787
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:19,919
seen this latest report today come out

788
00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:22,559
the senate select committee and

789
00:28:26,389 --> 00:28:24,720
so let's let's jump into every you know

790
00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:26,399
one one thing i want to do is bring up

791
00:28:31,269 --> 00:28:28,880
an article written recently by by dean

792
00:28:32,470 --> 00:28:31,279
johnson um let me bring that up and

793
00:28:34,149 --> 00:28:32,480
we'll go through a couple of the key

794
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:34,159
points

795
00:28:37,750 --> 00:28:36,000
he's right there with me

796
00:28:39,669 --> 00:28:37,760
he is he's incredible

797
00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:39,679
so let me bring this up

798
00:28:43,029 --> 00:28:41,360
and i want to bring up a couple of

799
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:43,039
points and hope that you can expand on

800
00:28:46,389 --> 00:28:44,399
them to

801
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:46,399
break break them down into a more

802
00:28:50,789 --> 00:28:48,320
layman's terms let's say

803
00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:52,710
actually before we do that one thing i

804
00:28:55,510 --> 00:28:54,559
want to if you could just tell us the

805
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:55,520
difference

806
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:58,080
i mean i guess you already have but that

807
00:29:02,549 --> 00:28:59,279
for the next few months we're going to

808
00:29:04,389 --> 00:29:02,559
see this ndaa and iaa language and like

809
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:04,399
these two separate things

810
00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:06,000
what happens towards the end of the year

811
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:08,240
do they merge when do they merge like

812
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:10,159
can you break that down for us

813
00:29:17,909 --> 00:29:13,840
yeah so every year the us government is

814
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:17,919
required to pass 12 authorization bills

815
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:20,399
funding basically like each topic area

816
00:29:24,310 --> 00:29:22,799
each department of the government um

817
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:24,320
when they don't pass those that's when

818
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:26,799
you see like government shutdowns right

819
00:29:30,870 --> 00:29:29,200
uh because they have to be able to

820
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:30,880
re-authorize every year that this is

821
00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:32,399
allowed to exist within the government

822
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:34,159
and you're allowed to spend money on it

823
00:29:39,669 --> 00:29:37,200
uh so what happens sometimes is the

824
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:39,679
different components might be merged or

825
00:29:43,110 --> 00:29:41,279
sometimes like like defense and

826
00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:43,120
intelligence right will probably be

827
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:44,240
merged

828
00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:46,320
that's why you see the first part of the

829
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:48,640
senate intelligence iaa

830
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:51,120
is actually just editing last year's

831
00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:52,320
defense

832
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:55,440
ndaa uh so it gets a little like

833
00:30:00,149 --> 00:29:58,080
convoluted um sometimes they'll even do

834
00:30:02,070 --> 00:30:00,159
like roll everything together into one

835
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:02,080
that's called an omnibus

836
00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:04,480
um so it's different each year which is

837
00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:06,320
why you can never know exactly how it's

838
00:30:10,389 --> 00:30:09,200
going to work but i would fully expect

839
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:10,399
that the

840
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:12,240
uh intelligence and defense you know

841
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:14,799
will be conferenced and essentially the

842
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:16,240
committees will come together and

843
00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:18,000
they'll look at the intel and the

844
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:19,520
defense on house and senate and

845
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:22,080
basically find the middle ground find

846
00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:24,080
where their agreements work out little

847
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:26,480
differences here and there um and then

848
00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:28,080
that's not voted on like in the

849
00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:29,760
committee it's just kind of

850
00:30:34,830 --> 00:30:33,600
um conferenced at that stage i believe

851
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:34,840
could be that makes

852
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:36,480
sense i haven't worked on conference

853
00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:38,320
committees before so but that's my

854
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:41,600
general understanding of it um yeah so

855
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:43,760
that should be what's happening

856
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:46,320
this fall uh and i would expect that you

857
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:47,760
know hopefully

858
00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:49,360
i mean ideally you would have this in

859
00:30:55,029 --> 00:30:52,000
place before the beginning of the fiscal

860
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:55,039
year which is october 1st um but that

861
00:30:59,909 --> 00:30:56,640
doesn't look likely

862
00:31:03,430 --> 00:30:59,919
so they'll probably um

863
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:03,440
do it maybe october november is my guess

864
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:05,840
i think personally comparing it to last

865
00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:07,039
year when we started seeing this

866
00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:09,440
language with senator gillibrand and

867
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:10,320
everyone

868
00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:12,000
bringing in this new new language and

869
00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:13,600
everything i think this is moving

870
00:31:17,350 --> 00:31:15,440
quicker this year

871
00:31:20,470 --> 00:31:17,360
personally

872
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:20,480
it is early days it is early days but we

873
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:21,360
have

874
00:31:25,509 --> 00:31:23,760
this is how dan down the signal puts it

875
00:31:27,509 --> 00:31:25,519
is we have trains moving on the track

876
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:27,519
side by side and they're moving at a

877
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:29,440
pace we're seeing things change

878
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:32,399
you know on a fairly uh progressive

879
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:34,320
way at the moment so

880
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:35,760
the only thing i would

881
00:31:39,669 --> 00:31:37,679
cough in there though is that it is an

882
00:31:41,350 --> 00:31:39,679
election year so you're gonna have a lot

883
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:41,360
of folks going home

884
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:43,519
and campaigning so it might get might

885
00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:45,360
slow down a little bit towards the end

886
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:46,799
of october

887
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:48,480
the thing is what i will say to that is

888
00:31:51,190 --> 00:31:50,080
we saw that with the january 6th

889
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:51,200
hearings though

890
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:53,440
everything went dead then that that was

891
00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:54,640
obviously for

892
00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:57,279
front and foremost for everything but

893
00:32:01,269 --> 00:31:59,519
since that in the last week or so we've

894
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:01,279
we've seen things

895
00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:04,320
go through on the 20th

896
00:32:08,389 --> 00:32:06,640
you know without any debates or anything

897
00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:08,399
happening and and forgive me if i'm not

898
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:09,840
saying it right because you know i don't

899
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:12,000
know the ins and outs but didn't things

900
00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:14,720
get passed on the 20th that

901
00:32:17,509 --> 00:32:16,480
didn't really get questioned it just

902
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:17,519
went through

903
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:19,519
this went straight through and i want to

904
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:21,360
also clarify that you know more about

905
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:24,159
the us government than most u.s citizens

906
00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:25,600
so

907
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:27,039
i think you don't need to have any

908
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:29,360
qualifications there yeah it's happening

909
00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:30,559
in a lot of it's happening behind the

910
00:32:34,789 --> 00:32:32,320
scenes i mean if i remember correctly we

911
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:34,799
didn't see that the iaa had passed for a

912
00:32:38,710 --> 00:32:36,799
little few days at least

913
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:38,720
after it had happened so

914
00:32:41,110 --> 00:32:39,679
uh

915
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:41,120
you know gears are working behind the

916
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:43,120
themes uh you know because you have

917
00:32:46,789 --> 00:32:45,840
people like an intelligent staff member

918
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:46,799
right

919
00:32:50,389 --> 00:32:49,120
who isn't as clocked into jan 6 maybe

920
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:50,399
right like they're still having to do

921
00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:53,120
their work um so

922
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:54,640
there's still people having to make

923
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:56,960
their make their paychecks luckily for

924
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:57,840
us

925
00:33:02,549 --> 00:33:01,200
uh the chat there it's good to see you

926
00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:02,559
guys coming through with some questions

927
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:04,559
i have highlighted a few that i will ask

928
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:07,200
later on in the interview um i'm gonna

929
00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:08,640
throw a question your way now and i'm

930
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:10,000
gonna give you two minutes to answer it

931
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:11,200
because i've literally just had a text

932
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:13,200
saying my daughter's screaming for me so

933
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:14,960
i want you to just give everybody in the

934
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:15,760
chat

935
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:17,760
two minutes of why it's

936
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:20,240
important or or it's it's good that

937
00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:23,200
we're seeing bipartisan effort

938
00:33:30,070 --> 00:33:26,559
oh absolutely so i've had the pleasure

939
00:33:32,389 --> 00:33:30,080
to work on two issues um that have

940
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:32,399
bipartisan support both before when i

941
00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:34,559
talked about infectious disease funding

942
00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:38,159
um and this and it's incredibly rare as

943
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:40,799
i'm sure everyone can see

944
00:33:46,789 --> 00:33:43,679
um but i think what it really speaks to

945
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:46,799
honestly is the fact that if there's one

946
00:33:51,750 --> 00:33:49,440
thing congress can get behind

947
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:51,760
and rally around with each other it's

948
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:53,840
when they feel like their oversight

949
00:33:58,149 --> 00:33:56,159
authority or their authority that is

950
00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:58,159
given from the constitution is

951
00:34:03,509 --> 00:34:00,640
sidestepped and i think that what we've

952
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:03,519
seen recently um

953
00:34:08,069 --> 00:34:05,519
is a lot of anger and i think righteous

954
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:08,079
anger on the on the side of members of

955
00:34:11,430 --> 00:34:09,919
congress that they have been sidestepped

956
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:11,440
and they don't have all the information

957
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:13,280
because you know these are folks who are

958
00:34:17,829 --> 00:34:15,359
making decisions about

959
00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:17,839
you know the size of our military and

960
00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:20,240
how much funding is going to go to

961
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:22,480
countering china versus something else

962
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:23,760
and if you don't have all the

963
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:26,240
information how can you make intelligent

964
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:28,240
decisions about those things you know

965
00:34:32,149 --> 00:34:29,679
and so i think

966
00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:32,159
any time you have a branch of government

967
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:34,320
that feels slighted everyone's going to

968
00:34:37,829 --> 00:34:36,800
rally around themselves and also just

969
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:37,839
you know

970
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:40,800
as fact of our political system that

971
00:34:46,869 --> 00:34:43,679
defense is a pretty bipartisan thing in

972
00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:46,879
general um so despite this being kind of

973
00:34:51,909 --> 00:34:50,000
a scary topic for some you know

974
00:34:53,589 --> 00:34:51,919
the last thing you want to do is be seen

975
00:34:55,750 --> 00:34:53,599
as someone who is putting service

976
00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:55,760
members at risk and i think that's

977
00:34:59,910 --> 00:34:58,000
honestly a big benefit of us even if you

978
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:59,920
are the biggest piece nick in the world

979
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:01,200
and you don't like how much money we

980
00:35:05,910 --> 00:35:03,359
spend on our military or what we've done

981
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:05,920
in the middle east or whatever

982
00:35:12,069 --> 00:35:08,640
i encourage you to use language that

983
00:35:14,310 --> 00:35:12,079
appeals to your member so if your member

984
00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:14,320
is a right-wing

985
00:35:18,870 --> 00:35:16,640
military hawk talk about the need to

986
00:35:22,630 --> 00:35:18,880
protect national security and protect

987
00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:22,640
our service members if your member is

988
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:26,079
um you know a left-wing progressive

989
00:35:30,069 --> 00:35:27,440
talk about the need to protect

990
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:30,079
whistleblowers and make sure that

991
00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:31,760
congressional authority is being

992
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:34,640
respected you know so it's about

993
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:36,800
figuring out why your members are

994
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:38,960
supporting the issue and tailoring your

995
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:41,760
messaging um because i think most of us

996
00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:44,400
can agree at the end of the day

997
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:46,960
i don't care why we get more information

998
00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:49,440
i just want more information

999
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:50,720
absolutely

1000
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:53,040
there's a great comment here from jay

1001
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:55,200
that was great katie kept up the riff

1002
00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:56,960
and he's back before she stuck the

1003
00:36:00,630 --> 00:35:58,960
landing

1004
00:36:02,150 --> 00:36:00,640
i will highlight i will highlight

1005
00:36:04,069 --> 00:36:02,160
everyone saying he's just refilling his

1006
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:04,079
wine glass i wasn't i generally went to

1007
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:06,480
the bathroom and checked on my daughter

1008
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:08,480
and uh when i saw that comment i did

1009
00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:10,800
refill my wine glass so i did all that

1010
00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:12,720
pretty quick as well so

1011
00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:14,320
thank you guys good to see you're paying

1012
00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:19,829
well you know i get these things it's 10

1013
00:36:25,910 --> 00:36:23,839
p.m just go on here in the uk

1014
00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:25,920
but then surely like you know working in

1015
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:27,200
the in the higher pressure world that

1016
00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:28,560
you do i wouldn't be surprised if you

1017
00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:29,839
have the odd

1018
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:32,160
glass mid-afternoon you know

1019
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:34,400
i'm a weirdo i'm a weirdo i have like

1020
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:37,440
three drinks a year i don't okay

1021
00:36:41,829 --> 00:36:39,680
i think having to work in genocide and

1022
00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:41,839
all this stuff if i drink every time i

1023
00:36:45,670 --> 00:36:43,520
was stressed i would have a really big

1024
00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:45,680
problem that makes sense that makes

1025
00:36:48,390 --> 00:36:46,480
sense

1026
00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:48,400
i'm a real fun person at parties let me

1027
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:49,359
tell you

1028
00:36:53,109 --> 00:36:51,680
well that's cool hey you bring the fun

1029
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:53,119
however you want it doesn't have to be

1030
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:55,280
alcohol related so it's all good it's

1031
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:57,359
all good um there's great question here

1032
00:37:02,150 --> 00:36:59,920
actually uh wilfred thank you so much uh

1033
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:02,160
any whispers about a new uab hearing in

1034
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:04,560
the next weeks or months

1035
00:37:10,470 --> 00:37:08,400
not that i've heard um but i i mean

1036
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:10,480
guys i'm i'm not relying on some super

1037
00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:13,200
secret sources i have friends

1038
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:17,359
in dc so i could be absolutely wrong um

1039
00:37:20,950 --> 00:37:19,440
i would expect a senate hearing though i

1040
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:20,960
mean i don't think

1041
00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:22,800
the senate's going to be happy with just

1042
00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:24,640
letting the house like get their their

1043
00:37:27,910 --> 00:37:26,079
side

1044
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:27,920
okay sounds good no that's not going to

1045
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:31,920
happen um i would expect it you know as

1046
00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:33,599
james stuff has been wrapping down i

1047
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:34,960
think

1048
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:37,680
we'll either see it in september is my

1049
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:40,880
guess before they recess in september or

1050
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:43,680
maybe the lame duck november december um

1051
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:44,640
but

1052
00:37:49,030 --> 00:37:46,800
yeah nothing nothing that i know about

1053
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:49,040
on my end i absolutely will share if i

1054
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:50,640
hear anything

1055
00:37:53,349 --> 00:37:52,000
appreciate that

1056
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:53,359
one thing i've heard as well as the

1057
00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:55,200
senate you know if the senate talk

1058
00:37:59,430 --> 00:37:57,440
that's more important to some degree can

1059
00:38:00,950 --> 00:37:59,440
you tell us why that might be

1060
00:38:02,790 --> 00:38:00,960
why the set we know we want to hear the

1061
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:02,800
senate side of things and

1062
00:38:07,270 --> 00:38:05,280
why that adds so much more value to to

1063
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:07,280
what we're talking about

1064
00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:09,200
well i mean i think first of all the

1065
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:12,320
senate just by its design is a much more

1066
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:14,400
um

1067
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:16,560
the word i'm looking for like

1068
00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:18,400
reserved institution

1069
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:20,640
right so even just by designing our

1070
00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:22,560
constitution senators are elected for

1071
00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:24,560
six years instead of having to go up for

1072
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:26,240
election every two years so you're gonna

1073
00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:27,040
see

1074
00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:29,920
more steadiness in the approach right

1075
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:32,480
one of my worries with house

1076
00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:34,800
um advocates right who are pushing this

1077
00:38:38,470 --> 00:38:36,320
issue forward is they could be out of a

1078
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:38,480
job in a year and you might lose that

1079
00:38:44,069 --> 00:38:40,640
voice so i think you get a little more

1080
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:44,079
um stability on the senate side um

1081
00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:46,800
the senate's also typically more

1082
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:48,000
you know they're they're in charge of

1083
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:49,920
for example like approving foreign

1084
00:38:54,630 --> 00:38:52,079
treaties so they're typically just a

1085
00:38:56,950 --> 00:38:54,640
little more in tune to like foreign

1086
00:39:00,310 --> 00:38:56,960
policy and defense in general so i think

1087
00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:00,320
it's just kind of a

1088
00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:03,119
artifact of how they were set up that

1089
00:39:07,349 --> 00:39:05,440
it's going to be big and not to mention

1090
00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:07,359
the fact that like i i think we've had

1091
00:39:11,829 --> 00:39:08,960
fantastic kill

1092
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:11,839
um supporters on this legislation uh but

1093
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:14,160
i mean i think everyone can recognize

1094
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:16,320
that this is really being driven

1095
00:39:22,470 --> 00:39:18,880
at this point by you know rubio and jill

1096
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:22,480
brand and so i i think and maybe that is

1097
00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:25,119
even just an artifact of the fact um

1098
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:27,200
that you know chris mellon comes from

1099
00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:29,680
the senate right like there's and maybe

1100
00:39:34,230 --> 00:39:32,079
he has closer relationships there uh so

1101
00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:34,240
you know it's it's personal it's by

1102
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:36,000
design um

1103
00:39:39,750 --> 00:39:37,440
and i i think it'll be really

1104
00:39:41,589 --> 00:39:39,760
interesting i also think that

1105
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:41,599
everything is being

1106
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:43,839
designed on a much grander scale than we

1107
00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:46,400
can see at this point you know um

1108
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:50,560
having talked to chris a few times

1109
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:52,800
he's not one to

1110
00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:55,200
uh plant one tiny seed and walk away

1111
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:56,960
right like it's a very

1112
00:40:00,550 --> 00:39:58,800
we do a then we do b then we do c then

1113
00:40:02,790 --> 00:40:00,560
we do d then we do e and so i think like

1114
00:40:05,829 --> 00:40:02,800
looking at all of this looking at

1115
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:05,839
who slipped uh uh gallagher the wilson

1116
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:08,480
davis stuff and why and the timing and

1117
00:40:13,910 --> 00:40:12,079
then we got the immunity language you

1118
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:13,920
know and then maybe we'll get a senate

1119
00:40:18,630 --> 00:40:15,599
hearing and then maybe we'll get you

1120
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:18,640
know like it's just what's the end goal

1121
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:20,880
right and i think that right now the end

1122
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:22,480
goal

1123
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:24,800
in the next five ten years

1124
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:27,040
eventually is some

1125
00:40:31,270 --> 00:40:29,200
uh compulsion language

1126
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:31,280
right like you have to start with

1127
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:33,760
voluntary information and figuring out

1128
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:36,640
where the um legacy programs may exist

1129
00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:38,480
and what not but eventually i think

1130
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:40,640
we're going to go down that path

1131
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:43,520
and it's you know come back in five

1132
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:45,200
years and tell me i'm wrong but uh

1133
00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:46,400
that's where i think we're headed with

1134
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:47,280
things

1135
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:49,440
i we've heard that before lou himself

1136
00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:51,520
has said come back in five years i think

1137
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:52,880
that's where we kind of headed towards

1138
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:55,200
we're arrowing down towards the legacy

1139
00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:56,960
programs but in the meantime we're still

1140
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:00,400
up here kind of thing um

1141
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:03,520
ah damn i had a question then

1142
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:05,119
i'm gonna i'm gonna segue into something

1143
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:06,720
else you're speaking about chris mellon

1144
00:41:10,390 --> 00:41:08,880
that obviously lou lou has done a lot

1145
00:41:11,829 --> 00:41:10,400
with chris

1146
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:11,839
for helping some of this language come

1147
00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:13,280
forward and that now i actually spoke to

1148
00:41:17,510 --> 00:41:15,839
lou today i reached out to him i said

1149
00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:17,520
luke can you can you give me a statement

1150
00:41:21,109 --> 00:41:19,359
on everything that's going going on and

1151
00:41:23,589 --> 00:41:21,119
i didn't hear anything and then i saw

1152
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:23,599
him tweet i thought okay i'll use your

1153
00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:25,200
tweet but then he actually messaged me

1154
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:26,960
back so i got a little statement that

1155
00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:28,560
i'm going to read out from lou that is

1156
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:31,040
just for for for this so i'd like to be

1157
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:33,599
new to vinnie love it

1158
00:41:37,510 --> 00:41:35,280
well you know it's like because i don't

1159
00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:37,520
understand a lot of this it's like i

1160
00:41:41,589 --> 00:41:40,240
normally go to either dan or like we've

1161
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:41,599
got a couple of groups going on on

1162
00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:42,960
twitter and

1163
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:44,960
so i thought today is like you know i'm

1164
00:41:49,349 --> 00:41:46,720
not supposed to lure in a while or in a

1165
00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:49,359
few days so i'll reach out to lou i love

1166
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:51,520
how you say a few days a while people

1167
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:53,920
are like i want to talk

1168
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:56,160
about yeah

1169
00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:56,880
but

1170
00:42:00,829 --> 00:41:58,160
it's funny because the message says

1171
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:00,839
vinnie i'm on the road here's my

1172
00:42:05,829 --> 00:42:04,079
statement well you know that's all good

1173
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:05,839
so lou says today is yet another

1174
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:07,839
indicator to the degree in which

1175
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:09,680
congress remains fully engaged on this

1176
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:11,599
topic the language is not only

1177
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:14,880
insightful but also directive in nature

1178
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:17,040
the days of stonewalling by a select few

1179
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:19,200
are nearing an end i only hope when the

1180
00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:20,720
truth comes to light that we remain

1181
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:22,720
focused on the issues and avoid an

1182
00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:25,280
unnecessary witch hunt truthfulness and

1183
00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:27,440
reconciliation is more important than

1184
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:29,680
reprisal and retribution

1185
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:30,960
believe me

1186
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:32,560
i am the first one who understands

1187
00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:34,640
personally and professionally how it

1188
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:36,319
feels to be unfairly targeted for

1189
00:42:40,069 --> 00:42:38,480
speaking the truth but we must always

1190
00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:40,079
try to take the high road wherever

1191
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:42,240
possible and forgive any transgressions

1192
00:42:46,309 --> 00:42:45,280
in favor of transparency

1193
00:42:47,349 --> 00:42:46,319
so

1194
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:47,359
i mean

1195
00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:48,560
he always comes with them bold

1196
00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:50,800
statements which i'm i'm you know

1197
00:42:53,910 --> 00:42:52,640
thank god you know thank you lou i

1198
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:53,920
appreciate that

1199
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:55,760
you know it's so funny because when i

1200
00:42:59,829 --> 00:42:58,000
hear that it's very very much reminds me

1201
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:59,839
of like the truth and reconciliation

1202
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:00,960
commissions

1203
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:03,839
and like post-apartheid south africa

1204
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:06,480
and rwanda and whatnot and as someone

1205
00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:08,720
who works in genocide response i can

1206
00:43:13,589 --> 00:43:10,800
tell you it's typically much more

1207
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:13,599
effective when you focus on

1208
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:15,440
truth and reconciliation over punitive

1209
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:17,440
justice not to say that everything

1210
00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:19,280
should be forgiven right if people

1211
00:43:24,790 --> 00:43:22,480
weren't harmed and whatnot absolutely

1212
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:24,800
but at some point you have to if you

1213
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:26,720
really want truth you have to decide

1214
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:29,920
what's more important so i agree

1215
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:32,240
yeah look at the bigger picture

1216
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:33,599
sometimes that's more important as well

1217
00:43:36,550 --> 00:43:35,040
as taking it away from the person take

1218
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:36,560
it away don't take it personally

1219
00:43:40,950 --> 00:43:38,640
sometimes and look at the look at the

1220
00:43:42,550 --> 00:43:40,960
group it might affect or or or something

1221
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:42,560
like that i completely

1222
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:44,480
yeah i mean it's easy for me to say but

1223
00:43:49,349 --> 00:43:47,280
i know there are people like

1224
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:49,359
who have been more involved in this who

1225
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:51,520
who are involved in this so you know i

1226
00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:52,720
have to try and look at it from every

1227
00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:54,800
aspect and i think

1228
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:56,560
you know it's good and

1229
00:44:00,069 --> 00:43:58,720
i i smile because you know i always ask

1230
00:44:02,470 --> 00:44:00,079
lou for a statement and he always gives

1231
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:02,480
me these big bold statements but it's it

1232
00:44:06,829 --> 00:44:04,720
speaks truth he just he's very eloquent

1233
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:06,839
and he's very new

1234
00:44:10,770 --> 00:44:08,640
absolutely it's almost it's almost like

1235
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:10,780
a politician speak

1236
00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:12,560
[Laughter]

1237
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:14,880
yeah we've heard lou hint on that for

1238
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:17,440
for congress yeah let's take it step by

1239
00:44:21,670 --> 00:44:19,920
step um now we were going through and

1240
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:21,680
i'm going to bring this back up bear

1241
00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:24,720
with me is

1242
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:27,200
uh dean johnson's article

1243
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:28,800
now i'm gonna skip through a lot of it

1244
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:31,040
because i think we've covered some of it

1245
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:32,880
i think when i read it it said it'll

1246
00:44:38,069 --> 00:44:36,400
take 30 minutes to read like oh my gosh

1247
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:38,079
scholarship

1248
00:44:41,430 --> 00:44:39,839
30 minutes to read and then how many

1249
00:44:43,589 --> 00:44:41,440
minutes to go back and read through all

1250
00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:43,599
of it again today

1251
00:44:49,829 --> 00:44:48,550
so yeah here's a question then i'm gonna

1252
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:49,839
i'm gonna take it off screen is that

1253
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:51,359
we've obviously heard recently about the

1254
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:54,720
aaro or ro or arrow so many different

1255
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:56,640
pronunciations now

1256
00:45:00,630 --> 00:44:58,800
to me it looks the same as last year we

1257
00:45:02,790 --> 00:45:00,640
saw the gila brand amendment and all

1258
00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:02,800
this new language come up

1259
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:05,520
and then we saw the dod throw in aoi msg

1260
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:07,520
like it's okay we're on top of this and

1261
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:09,200
then this year we're seeing new language

1262
00:45:13,109 --> 00:45:11,520
and then we see an arrow come up like is

1263
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:13,119
this just not a repeat of last year

1264
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:15,359
because surely if we wait until the end

1265
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:17,599
of the year get the ndaa passed fingers

1266
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:19,280
crossed everything runs smoothly we'll

1267
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:21,119
get a better office

1268
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:23,040
beginning 2023.

1269
00:45:29,109 --> 00:45:26,079
theoretically yeah we'd have the uap jpo

1270
00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:29,119
right the joint project whatever yeah

1271
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:30,800
i honestly i read that and i was just

1272
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:32,480
like really like do we have to keep

1273
00:45:36,630 --> 00:45:34,800
changing the name uh

1274
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:36,640
i think this is a perfect example of

1275
00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:39,119
what we talked about right um i would

1276
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:41,119
like to say that it's some big

1277
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:43,280
conspiracy to hide the truth i think

1278
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:44,880
it's just dumb

1279
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:48,480
like like truly like i think they just

1280
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:51,839
didn't realize or didn't care that

1281
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:54,240
they were going to suggest a uap name in

1282
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:56,640
this legislation and they wanted to

1283
00:46:01,589 --> 00:45:59,280
create one because they did they had to

1284
00:46:03,510 --> 00:46:01,599
they had to make sure that it was

1285
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:03,520
cooperative with the gila brand

1286
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:05,520
requirements right so they had to make

1287
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:07,200
some edits so i think as a part of that

1288
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:08,960
they did the name change

1289
00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:11,040
um but i think it's hilarious frankly

1290
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:12,640
because there's no way gillibrand didn't

1291
00:46:15,190 --> 00:46:13,520
know

1292
00:46:17,109 --> 00:46:15,200
during that meeting that they were just

1293
00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:17,119
text they were just tweeting about that

1294
00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:20,000
this language is in the iaa

1295
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:20,800
so

1296
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:23,520
honestly i have no idea i i think that

1297
00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:25,440
there may have been

1298
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:27,839
a desire to not have uap in the office

1299
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:28,800
name

1300
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:30,800
um because it's a little less sexy and

1301
00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:33,119
the media may not pick up on things as

1302
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:34,720
easily if they're not paying attention

1303
00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:37,440
to it um so i think it was important

1304
00:46:40,630 --> 00:46:39,040
that they did that and also important

1305
00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:40,640
that um

1306
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:42,480
you know it's uap but they're still

1307
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:43,839
saying the name of the office is

1308
00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:46,160
unidentified aerospace

1309
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:47,200
b

1310
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:48,400
i don't know what's

1311
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:49,920
keeps changing

1312
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:51,599
underwater phenomena i don't know

1313
00:46:54,870 --> 00:46:53,280
whatever it was and i think it's

1314
00:46:57,990 --> 00:46:54,880
important that they want that in the

1315
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:58,000
name and i think that's really um

1316
00:47:02,069 --> 00:46:59,520
i mean it's not surprising right like we

1317
00:47:03,990 --> 00:47:02,079
know this is a trans medium situation we

1318
00:47:05,829 --> 00:47:04,000
know that there's a lot going on

1319
00:47:07,589 --> 00:47:05,839
underneath the water and that they

1320
00:47:09,430 --> 00:47:07,599
deferred that discussion

1321
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:09,440
to the classified hearing

1322
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:11,520
but i think the fact that they really

1323
00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:13,760
want underwater undersea whichever the

1324
00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:16,640
word was in the name um

1325
00:47:22,630 --> 00:47:20,240
should give us all like a big clue as to

1326
00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:22,640
where these members heads are at

1327
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:27,109
so

1328
00:47:30,710 --> 00:47:29,200
do you think that the staffers the

1329
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:30,720
congressmen everybody that are having

1330
00:47:36,309 --> 00:47:32,640
these classified briefings would they go

1331
00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:36,319
to these levels if it was something

1332
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:39,280
just drones from china and russia

1333
00:47:43,109 --> 00:47:40,400
absolutely not

1334
00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:43,119
i mean look are there some that are

1335
00:47:46,950 --> 00:47:44,480
probably drones from restaurant china

1336
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:46,960
absolutely right absolutely there are i

1337
00:47:53,430 --> 00:47:50,640
mean we're running the ba 52 while you

1338
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:53,440
know some of our like old-style cars

1339
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:55,119
were on the road uh you know like

1340
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:57,760
there's there's some next-gen aircraft

1341
00:48:02,069 --> 00:48:00,400
and drones that we can't even imagine

1342
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:02,079
that are being tested right now by us

1343
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:04,319
and by other countries um

1344
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:06,880
but no i i think that's the biggest

1345
00:48:10,870 --> 00:48:09,359
argument about there being fire where

1346
00:48:13,030 --> 00:48:10,880
there's smoke here

1347
00:48:13,750 --> 00:48:13,040
you have so many people

1348
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:13,760
with

1349
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:16,000
vastly different out views on life and

1350
00:48:19,589 --> 00:48:17,920
the role of the government

1351
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:19,599
who not only are interested in this

1352
00:48:25,109 --> 00:48:20,400
issue

1353
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:25,119
become bigger advocates after they're

1354
00:48:28,470 --> 00:48:26,319
briefed

1355
00:48:30,790 --> 00:48:28,480
and i think that says everything you

1356
00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:30,800
need to know you know because

1357
00:48:35,349 --> 00:48:33,680
if we knew it was chinese

1358
00:48:36,549 --> 00:48:35,359
for example it would be going to another

1359
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:36,559
office

1360
00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:38,240
um so

1361
00:48:42,470 --> 00:48:39,040
and

1362
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:42,480
worried if it is we find out every

1363
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:45,280
single uap ever seen as chinese

1364
00:48:49,750 --> 00:48:48,240
okay we need to address that um you know

1365
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:49,760
they're committing genocide right now do

1366
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:51,839
we really want them to have this check

1367
00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:55,200
uh so i i think that it's

1368
00:49:00,069 --> 00:48:56,559
silly

1369
00:49:01,190 --> 00:49:00,079
when um you know career debunkers i

1370
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:01,200
don't mean people that look at these

1371
00:49:05,349 --> 00:49:02,880
things in good faith but

1372
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:05,359
people who jump to conclusions always

1373
00:49:09,270 --> 00:49:07,040
um

1374
00:49:10,549 --> 00:49:09,280
think there's nothing to this because

1375
00:49:12,549 --> 00:49:10,559
these are people who are receiving

1376
00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:12,559
briefings from people who do know you

1377
00:49:16,549 --> 00:49:14,960
know they don't just let anyone walk on

1378
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:16,559
walk in from the street

1379
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:18,319
and brief the senate intelligence

1380
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:21,599
committee you know um even smart people

1381
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:22,960
so i

1382
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:24,960
you know i i tend to believe in occam's

1383
00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:26,160
razor

1384
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:28,000
uh you know the simplest solution is the

1385
00:49:31,670 --> 00:49:29,680
right solution and i think that's kind

1386
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:31,680
of where i follow these things

1387
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:34,319
yeah absolutely i completely agree

1388
00:49:36,549 --> 00:49:35,040
so

1389
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:36,559
going forward

1390
00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:38,400
we've talked about what's happening now

1391
00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:40,400
the language

1392
00:49:43,910 --> 00:49:42,400
do you expect much movement between now

1393
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:43,920
and let's say you know last year we we

1394
00:49:48,069 --> 00:49:45,839
know the ndia got past

1395
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:48,079
what was it december 27th almost the

1396
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:49,440
edge of the yeah

1397
00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:51,440
do we just sit tight now and wait is

1398
00:49:56,549 --> 00:49:54,400
there anything we can do what should we

1399
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:56,559
what should we focus on between now and

1400
00:50:00,150 --> 00:49:58,640
and december this year

1401
00:50:03,109 --> 00:50:00,160
i think we need to pace ourselves you

1402
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:03,119
know like lose said a long time

1403
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:05,200
for a long time come back in five years

1404
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:07,200
right like i know it can feel like we

1405
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:10,000
want a new hearing and a new bill every

1406
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:10,800
month

1407
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:13,440
um but a lot has happened this year and

1408
00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:16,000
so i think you know take a step back

1409
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:17,680
take a breath be grateful what we've

1410
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:21,119
gotten this year um and know that we're

1411
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:22,720
set in the stage right we're still

1412
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:23,680
building

1413
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:24,800
and

1414
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:26,559
you don't have something that happens

1415
00:50:31,109 --> 00:50:29,119
for 70 years in terms of the us

1416
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:31,119
government response obviously this

1417
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:32,880
phenomenon has existed much longer than

1418
00:50:38,309 --> 00:50:33,680
that

1419
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:38,319
it takes time and so much of the work

1420
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:40,480
has been developing relationships

1421
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:42,319
within congress within the executive

1422
00:50:46,470 --> 00:50:45,040
branch and so you know i encourage you

1423
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:46,480
to

1424
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:48,720
work on that even if it's not uap

1425
00:50:51,750 --> 00:50:49,760
related

1426
00:50:54,309 --> 00:50:51,760
get comfortable calling your member go

1427
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:54,319
have a meeting in person um read up

1428
00:50:58,230 --> 00:50:55,920
about some of these topics if you don't

1429
00:50:59,829 --> 00:50:58,240
get authorizations versus appropriations

1430
00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:59,839
look up 101

1431
00:51:02,549 --> 00:51:01,200
um

1432
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:02,559
and again

1433
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:04,160
then thank yous

1434
00:51:07,109 --> 00:51:05,200
you know

1435
00:51:09,030 --> 00:51:07,119
god bake some muffins show up at their

1436
00:51:10,390 --> 00:51:09,040
office

1437
00:51:12,309 --> 00:51:10,400
probably can't eat those you might have

1438
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:12,319
anthrax but you know what i mean like

1439
00:51:18,069 --> 00:51:13,040
it's

1440
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:18,079
make sure that we don't lose sight of

1441
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:21,040
the end goal and um

1442
00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:22,559
you know i

1443
00:51:27,270 --> 00:51:24,800
i i'm partial given my political

1444
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:27,280
background but one of the things that um

1445
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:29,280
when i was interning for joe one of the

1446
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:30,640
things he said

1447
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:32,240
uh whether you agree with him or not

1448
00:51:35,829 --> 00:51:34,400
it's totally fine if you don't

1449
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:35,839
is

1450
00:51:39,030 --> 00:51:37,280
never

1451
00:51:40,710 --> 00:51:39,040
throw out something good because it

1452
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:40,720
doesn't go far enough

1453
00:51:45,190 --> 00:51:42,960
take a tiny bit of progress and move the

1454
00:51:46,950 --> 00:51:45,200
ball forward and then build from there

1455
00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:46,960
and i think that's what we're doing i

1456
00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:49,359
think we're slowly but surely moving the

1457
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:50,720
ball forward and it might not be

1458
00:51:52,870 --> 00:51:52,079
everything we want

1459
00:51:54,630 --> 00:51:52,880
um

1460
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:54,640
but you can look at the iaa as a good

1461
00:51:57,670 --> 00:51:55,680
example

1462
00:51:59,829 --> 00:51:57,680
the ia had a lot of really interesting

1463
00:52:02,630 --> 00:51:59,839
steps forward from the ndaa that's only

1464
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:02,640
a few months or maybe a month

1465
00:52:05,829 --> 00:52:05,040
weeks i don't know it was short after it

1466
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:05,839
um

1467
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:06,720
you know

1468
00:52:11,190 --> 00:52:09,119
if i advise creating that core group

1469
00:52:12,549 --> 00:52:11,200
whatever that is i'm really interested

1470
00:52:13,510 --> 00:52:12,559
in that core group

1471
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:13,520
um

1472
00:52:21,990 --> 00:52:20,400
technology transfers to industry and

1473
00:52:23,349 --> 00:52:22,000
national labs you know there's there's

1474
00:52:25,109 --> 00:52:23,359
steps being made

1475
00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:25,119
um and sometimes it's literally just a

1476
00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:27,200
phrase

1477
00:52:33,030 --> 00:52:30,480
yeah absolutely walter again baby steps

1478
00:52:34,870 --> 00:52:33,040
absolutely brother um i just want to

1479
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:34,880
give a shout out

1480
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:36,400
i know

1481
00:52:39,750 --> 00:52:37,520
hey it

1482
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:39,760
doesn't mean it's you know popularity

1483
00:52:43,109 --> 00:52:41,680
isn't always the the be all and end all

1484
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:43,119
um i was just giving a shout out to my

1485
00:52:47,190 --> 00:52:45,040
brother jason turner

1486
00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:47,200
i saw him in the chat shout out jason

1487
00:52:50,549 --> 00:52:48,960
not spoken in a while

1488
00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:50,559
you know he's part and parcel of

1489
00:52:54,390 --> 00:52:51,680
everything that's been going on for the

1490
00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:54,400
past five to six years being part of the

1491
00:52:57,510 --> 00:52:56,079
the nimitz encounter and everything

1492
00:52:58,470 --> 00:52:57,520
jason it's always good to see you

1493
00:53:01,349 --> 00:52:58,480
brother

1494
00:53:02,790 --> 00:53:01,359
i love you man um i just remembered what

1495
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:02,800
i wanted to speak to earlier about that

1496
00:53:06,790 --> 00:53:04,800
i forgot about this talk about amnesty

1497
00:53:08,470 --> 00:53:06,800
and immunity now everyone got really

1498
00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:08,480
excited like suddenly we're gonna get

1499
00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:10,240
swathes of people coming in front of

1500
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:13,040
public hearings talking about secrets

1501
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:14,640
now what it was really from what i

1502
00:53:19,270 --> 00:53:16,480
garnered was people are going to be able

1503
00:53:20,950 --> 00:53:19,280
to go through a secure channel to talk

1504
00:53:22,230 --> 00:53:20,960
classified

1505
00:53:24,150 --> 00:53:22,240
about this thing can you can you break

1506
00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:24,160
that down for us a bit better yeah yeah

1507
00:53:30,950 --> 00:53:24,960
it's

1508
00:53:32,309 --> 00:53:30,960
well two important things first of all

1509
00:53:34,470 --> 00:53:32,319
it is

1510
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:34,480
for that secure channel right so just

1511
00:53:38,470 --> 00:53:36,480
because someone can report something

1512
00:53:40,390 --> 00:53:38,480
doesn't mean we'll hear about it

1513
00:53:42,309 --> 00:53:40,400
we could congress could decide that they

1514
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:42,319
want to push the executive branch to

1515
00:53:46,790 --> 00:53:45,359
declassify it and share it um

1516
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:46,800
but i wouldn't hold your breath on that

1517
00:53:52,790 --> 00:53:50,400
um i really viewed it as honestly

1518
00:53:55,349 --> 00:53:52,800
in service to this information gathering

1519
00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:55,359
exercise i really look at this whole

1520
00:53:59,670 --> 00:53:57,280
thing that's going on right now the gao

1521
00:54:01,349 --> 00:53:59,680
report um the reporting avenue is

1522
00:54:03,589 --> 00:54:01,359
they're trying to get all the

1523
00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:03,599
information they can on any existing

1524
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:06,480
incidents uh programs uh you know

1525
00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:08,640
technology transfers you name it

1526
00:54:13,270 --> 00:54:10,480
um but i think it's also important to

1527
00:54:15,430 --> 00:54:13,280
recognize what it doesn't do in addition

1528
00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:15,440
to not just giving blanket ability to

1529
00:54:19,510 --> 00:54:18,640
like go on cnn and talk about all this

1530
00:54:22,870 --> 00:54:19,520
is

1531
00:54:24,790 --> 00:54:22,880
it doesn't give immunity from crimes

1532
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:24,800
and i think people are conflating the

1533
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:27,680
two it gives immunity from prosecution

1534
00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:30,240
for breaking your nda

1535
00:54:33,190 --> 00:54:31,200
or

1536
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:33,200
some other non-disclosure agreement

1537
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:35,280
security clearance something

1538
00:54:40,150 --> 00:54:36,480
so

1539
00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:40,160
if you go to the uap

1540
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:42,160
jpo is that what we're calling it now

1541
00:54:45,990 --> 00:54:44,160
gosh i don't know i don't know

1542
00:54:49,109 --> 00:54:46,000
the uap office i'm just gonna call it

1543
00:54:52,230 --> 00:54:49,119
that um and report that you are involved

1544
00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:52,240
in blackmail and intimidation and you

1545
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:54,160
know something like that in connection

1546
00:54:57,990 --> 00:54:56,240
with one of these programs that doesn't

1547
00:54:59,589 --> 00:54:58,000
mean that you get immunity from being

1548
00:55:00,789 --> 00:54:59,599
prosecuted for that

1549
00:55:02,549 --> 00:55:00,799
so

1550
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:02,559
you know

1551
00:55:07,750 --> 00:55:06,160
that might be good in terms of justice

1552
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:07,760
that might be

1553
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:09,599
harmful in terms of the truth depending

1554
00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:12,400
on what was involved um but yeah it's

1555
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:15,280
gonna be interesting and i wish i was

1556
00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:17,200
someone in that office but

1557
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:18,559
they're gonna have a lot to weed through

1558
00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:21,119
i'm sure the thing is it's funny because

1559
00:55:25,670 --> 00:55:22,720
people hear the words immunity and

1560
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:25,680
amnesty and my dms suddenly fill up with

1561
00:55:29,190 --> 00:55:28,000
is lou's going to testify finally and

1562
00:55:31,750 --> 00:55:29,200
i'm like

1563
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:31,760
no it's so much more complicated than

1564
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:39,670
yeah i mean if he subpoenaed to talk i'm

1565
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:41,040
sure he would but i think the focus

1566
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:43,200
needs to the the focus now needs to

1567
00:55:47,430 --> 00:55:45,839
shift away from lou and and also we talk

1568
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:47,440
there are things in there about going

1569
00:55:52,230 --> 00:55:50,079
back to 1947 and things going to the

1570
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:52,240
national archives and all these kind of

1571
00:56:01,190 --> 00:55:58,230
well the one thing that i first noticed

1572
00:56:04,069 --> 00:56:01,200
too when i saw in 47 i was like dang it

1573
00:56:08,150 --> 00:56:04,079
they left out the trinity case which was

1574
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:09,990
yeah maybe maybe that needs to be the

1575
00:56:14,309 --> 00:56:12,480
next baby step too um

1576
00:56:16,950 --> 00:56:14,319
but yeah it's

1577
00:56:19,270 --> 00:56:16,960
it's fascinating they're in empowering

1578
00:56:20,789 --> 00:56:19,280
this the gao which is essentially like

1579
00:56:22,549 --> 00:56:20,799
uh you can think of it as like a

1580
00:56:24,470 --> 00:56:22,559
non-partisan

1581
00:56:26,309 --> 00:56:24,480
book pronouncing it arrow in my office i

1582
00:56:28,710 --> 00:56:26,319
like that i like that let's call it

1583
00:56:31,349 --> 00:56:28,720
arrow um

1584
00:56:34,549 --> 00:56:31,359
basically empowering them to go

1585
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:34,559
um to the archives of the united states

1586
00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:36,000
and with

1587
00:56:39,349 --> 00:56:38,400
get access to anything anything written

1588
00:56:41,829 --> 00:56:39,359
now

1589
00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:41,839
the obvious problem comes and something

1590
00:56:46,150 --> 00:56:43,680
that lou often talks about when you're

1591
00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:46,160
talking about foia is not everything's

1592
00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:47,520
written down

1593
00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:48,960
you know and i just look at it and

1594
00:56:53,190 --> 00:56:50,319
people can say well why not is that

1595
00:56:55,349 --> 00:56:53,200
conspiracy not necessarily i mean

1596
00:56:57,670 --> 00:56:55,359
in my old job right when i was a

1597
00:56:59,510 --> 00:56:57,680
lobbyist i was elected the chair of the

1598
00:57:01,030 --> 00:56:59,520
malaria advocacy roundtable i

1599
00:57:02,630 --> 00:57:01,040
coordinated with a bunch of different

1600
00:57:03,589 --> 00:57:02,640
groups you think that was in writing

1601
00:57:04,710 --> 00:57:03,599
anywhere

1602
00:57:09,430 --> 00:57:04,720
no

1603
00:57:11,510 --> 00:57:09,440
conversations that were had or this or

1604
00:57:12,789 --> 00:57:11,520
that or if you're doing something highly

1605
00:57:14,549 --> 00:57:12,799
secret are you going to write a memo

1606
00:57:15,990 --> 00:57:14,559
about it

1607
00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:16,000
so

1608
00:57:20,309 --> 00:57:18,640
i'm glad they're going to have access um

1609
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:20,319
but again we have to recognize the

1610
00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:22,559
limits of these things and that's where

1611
00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:23,440
i think

1612
00:57:26,750 --> 00:57:25,200
having these secure reporting channels

1613
00:57:29,990 --> 00:57:26,760
which will

1614
00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:30,000
circumvent the need to only look at

1615
00:57:33,190 --> 00:57:32,000
written documents um will be really

1616
00:57:35,910 --> 00:57:33,200
helpful

1617
00:57:37,109 --> 00:57:35,920
amazing amazing well listen katie we're

1618
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:37,119
we're pretty much coming to the woods

1619
00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:39,359
the end but i wanted to end it on a

1620
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:41,680
slightly more mellow note because

1621
00:57:46,230 --> 00:57:43,920
you know it's been intense i i've got so

1622
00:57:48,309 --> 00:57:46,240
much to take in i'll i'll do a re-watch

1623
00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:48,319
of this i hate watching myself speak but

1624
00:57:51,589 --> 00:57:49,680
you know i need to understand the ins

1625
00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:51,599
and outs of what we're seeing right now

1626
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:53,440
within the government

1627
00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:55,200
now we've been doing book club over the

1628
00:57:57,750 --> 00:57:56,880
past few months you've joined in on that

1629
00:57:59,510 --> 00:57:57,760
so

1630
00:58:01,589 --> 00:57:59,520
a lot of people always ask me what books

1631
00:58:03,510 --> 00:58:01,599
do you recommend on the ufo subject and

1632
00:58:05,349 --> 00:58:03,520
i know you've jumped in and read some

1633
00:58:07,670 --> 00:58:05,359
things so is there anything that you'd

1634
00:58:09,430 --> 00:58:07,680
recommend to people to read

1635
00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:09,440
too many i'm

1636
00:58:14,470 --> 00:58:12,000
it depends where you are in your journey

1637
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:14,480
if you're just popping in

1638
00:58:19,270 --> 00:58:16,480
i really think you can't beat leslie

1639
00:58:21,349 --> 00:58:19,280
kane's ufo's book it's like a very good

1640
00:58:23,190 --> 00:58:21,359
entry level if you're a little skeptical

1641
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:23,200
getting people into it to realize it's a

1642
00:58:27,190 --> 00:58:24,720
legitimate issue

1643
00:58:29,829 --> 00:58:27,200
um i'm now more on the consciousness

1644
00:58:31,910 --> 00:58:29,839
aspect of things the woo if you will i

1645
00:58:34,870 --> 00:58:31,920
really think you can't disconnect the

1646
00:58:37,270 --> 00:58:34,880
two to a certain extent i agree i agree

1647
00:58:40,069 --> 00:58:37,280
asap agreed to that's why it was created

1648
00:58:42,230 --> 00:58:40,079
the way it was um but so i'm looking a

1649
00:58:44,309 --> 00:58:42,240
lot at uh

1650
00:58:46,390 --> 00:58:44,319
like anthropology of the supernatural

1651
00:58:50,710 --> 00:58:46,400
with something that jay recommended to

1652
00:58:52,870 --> 00:58:50,720
me recently which was really good

1653
00:58:54,870 --> 00:58:52,880
recreating baywatch you know she texted

1654
00:58:57,109 --> 00:58:54,880
me the photo today and i might just post

1655
00:58:58,950 --> 00:58:57,119
it myself so

1656
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:58,960
that's what it needs to happen

1657
00:59:02,470 --> 00:59:00,720
it needs to happen

1658
00:59:04,789 --> 00:59:02,480
well if anyone's mad at me i'm gonna

1659
00:59:06,710 --> 00:59:04,799
blame you guys okay you've got i'll say

1660
00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:06,720
this live on air you've got my backing

1661
00:59:12,870 --> 00:59:09,119
right now okay i'll post it after this

1662
00:59:15,430 --> 00:59:12,880
it is a baseball photo with all of us

1663
00:59:16,829 --> 00:59:15,440
photo shopping booklet baywatch

1664
00:59:21,829 --> 00:59:16,839
that's how we

1665
00:59:23,829 --> 00:59:21,839
live olaf looks like how olaf really is

1666
00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:23,839
should be like he may not have that hair

1667
00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:25,200
but it looks like he should be that way

1668
00:59:28,950 --> 00:59:26,960
anyways you guys will see it except for

1669
00:59:31,349 --> 00:59:28,960
everybody listen i'm not going to finish

1670
00:59:33,430 --> 00:59:31,359
now but katie's you can follow katie on

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00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:33,440
twitter in the in the description below

1672
00:59:36,710 --> 00:59:35,119
after this finishes go there because

1673
00:59:38,549 --> 00:59:36,720
you're going to see the book club they

1674
00:59:40,549 --> 00:59:38,559
watch if you want to be interested in

1675
00:59:42,789 --> 00:59:40,559
the bathing suit you have to come to my

1676
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:42,799
twitter like forget seeing high

1677
00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:45,599
definition ufo uap photos you get the

1678
00:59:51,589 --> 00:59:48,480
book club baywatch photo the elusive why

1679
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:51,599
didn't we add a ufo into the sky in the

1680
00:59:57,190 --> 00:59:54,240
photo god missed opportunity

1681
00:59:59,670 --> 00:59:57,200
someone else might do it for us

1682
01:00:02,390 --> 00:59:59,680
shout out to uh oh look while i'm saying

1683
01:00:04,069 --> 01:00:02,400
book club hashtag uh uh question mark

1684
01:00:05,589 --> 01:00:04,079
walter i'll fill you in i'll send you

1685
01:00:08,230 --> 01:00:05,599
the links brother

1686
01:00:09,589 --> 01:00:08,240
it's it's all about uap book club

1687
01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:09,599
it's a monthly thing we've done in the

1688
01:00:13,750 --> 01:00:11,200
past we're having a summer break but we

1689
01:00:15,589 --> 01:00:13,760
get together on priscilla's channel

1690
01:00:16,950 --> 01:00:15,599
every month we read a book and then we

1691
01:00:18,789 --> 01:00:16,960
get together and we have a panel

1692
01:00:20,870 --> 01:00:18,799
discussion about the book and sometimes

1693
01:00:22,630 --> 01:00:20,880
we even have the author on with us

1694
01:00:24,710 --> 01:00:22,640
and we're going to get back to it in a

1695
01:00:27,109 --> 01:00:24,720
month or so so walter i'll send you the

1696
01:00:30,150 --> 01:00:27,119
details brother

1697
01:00:31,510 --> 01:00:30,160
so katie listen we could go on and on um

1698
01:00:32,710 --> 01:00:31,520
we really could but you know what we're

1699
01:00:34,549 --> 01:00:32,720
going to stop here because i reckon

1700
01:00:37,510 --> 01:00:34,559
we're going to need you back on uh

1701
01:00:40,069 --> 01:00:37,520
multiple times in the next few months

1702
01:00:42,470 --> 01:00:40,079
any time are you kidding me it's a nice

1703
01:00:44,549 --> 01:00:42,480
break from work so happy to be here

1704
01:00:46,390 --> 01:00:44,559
i really really truly appreciate it i

1705
01:00:49,430 --> 01:00:46,400
appreciate you i appreciate everything

1706
01:00:51,270 --> 01:00:49,440
you've done and yeah i i can't sing your

1707
01:00:53,430 --> 01:00:51,280
praises enough and anybody that isn't

1708
01:00:55,750 --> 01:00:53,440
familiar with katie after this go into

1709
01:00:57,670 --> 01:00:55,760
the description check out her socials go

1710
01:00:59,589 --> 01:00:57,680
and follow you can all get involved and

1711
01:01:02,309 --> 01:00:59,599
this is the thing like we

1712
01:01:04,230 --> 01:01:02,319
we can all play our part so um yeah okay

1713
01:01:06,230 --> 01:01:04,240
if you can hang around i'll say goodbye

1714
01:01:07,349 --> 01:01:06,240
to everybody in the live chat thank you

1715
01:01:09,670 --> 01:01:07,359
so much for

1716
01:01:12,789 --> 01:01:09,680
being cordial and asking great questions

1717
01:01:14,630 --> 01:01:12,799
i will give a quick shout out to

1718
01:01:16,390 --> 01:01:14,640
uh sean thank you so much for the super

1719
01:01:18,870 --> 01:01:16,400
sticker donation brother i really do

1720
01:01:20,710 --> 01:01:18,880
appreciate that it all goes to back into

1721
01:01:22,870 --> 01:01:20,720
the show and and everything

1722
01:01:24,789 --> 01:01:22,880
um good to see all my friends and

1723
01:01:25,829 --> 01:01:24,799
newcomers and all of you guys are always

1724
01:01:27,589 --> 01:01:25,839
welcome

1725
01:01:29,510 --> 01:01:27,599
i'm going to be back on saturday with

1726
01:01:31,829 --> 01:01:29,520
james ian doley

1727
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:31,839
danny silva and

1728
01:01:36,390 --> 01:01:35,040
ryan robbins ufo jesus himself we're all

1729
01:01:38,230 --> 01:01:36,400
coming together

1730
01:01:39,910 --> 01:01:38,240
quick shout out guys springtalk thank

1731
01:01:42,150 --> 01:01:39,920
you so much for becoming a member man

1732
01:01:44,950 --> 01:01:42,160
really appreciate it guy has been a long

1733
01:01:46,950 --> 01:01:44,960
long long time supporter of me over on

1734
01:01:49,510 --> 01:01:46,960
instagram and everything so guy thank

1735
01:01:52,470 --> 01:01:49,520
you so much brother good to see you man

1736
01:01:54,309 --> 01:01:52,480
guys for now we're gonna call it um do

1737
01:01:56,230 --> 01:01:54,319
you know what i'm going to announce i'm

1738
01:01:58,549 --> 01:01:56,240
going to go over and do an impromptu

1739
01:01:59,750 --> 01:01:58,559
instagram live so if anybody wants to

1740
01:02:01,190 --> 01:01:59,760
jump on

1741
01:02:02,150 --> 01:02:01,200
i'm going to be live on instagram in

1742
01:02:05,349 --> 01:02:02,160
about

1743
01:02:07,589 --> 01:02:05,359
five to 10 minutes but for now katie

1744
01:02:08,950 --> 01:02:07,599
thank you so much i really appreciate

1745
01:02:11,750 --> 01:02:08,960
everything you do

1746
01:02:14,069 --> 01:02:11,760
i appreciate you as a person so yeah

1747
01:02:15,750 --> 01:02:14,079
thank you so much thanks for having me

1748
01:02:18,710 --> 01:02:15,760
you've made it such a welcoming place to

1749
01:02:20,870 --> 01:02:18,720
be here so i really appreciate you

1750
01:02:22,230 --> 01:02:20,880
thank you take care and everybody else

1751
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:22,240
if you want to see me on instagram come

1752
01:02:26,710 --> 01:02:24,000
and jump on if not i'll see you on the